I'd be interested in hearing which applications people use classic for and why?
Is it because it has not been ported or do you prefer the OS9 interface?
after five full years of OS X that there are still people who depend on OS 9.
Now, don't get me wrong... I was one of the last to switch... I think I stuck with OS 9 almost up until 10.3 came out. However, the days of 9 are long gone.
The only reason I know of that anyone in my field (cognitive psychology/neurophysiology) still uses 9 is that the old version of the Psychophysics Toolbox for MATLAB was so good, is still so good, that we still use it on OS 9 on a couple of our experimental machines. Even so, the new OS X version of PsychToolbox is now pretty much up to snuff, so even then, the only reason not to switch is because people are lazy and don't want to recode their experiments.
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Mac OS X; because giving Unix a user-friendly GUI was easier than fixing Microsoft Windows.
I don't depend on any Classic apps. I do still have apps based on NeXTSTEP 3 which I need and hence a few black slabs in critical positions. Is this better or worse than needing OS Nein? :-)
We still depend on CellQuest under OS 9. So far I read only horror stories from people who tried to acquire FACS data under OS X. Prices for software updates are beyond the sky and also do not really bring new features with them. So we don't change a running system...
Also, ImageQuant and Tools have not been released for OS X yet (and probably never will be).
Finally, I MacurveFit and QuickTTest. Simple programs, I know. But sometimes very useful.
regarding FACS - ever look on the free WEASEL2 -> http://www.wehi.edu.au/cytometry/WEASELv2.html?
Curve fitting under MacOSX is available with various free *and commercial* programs - Hippodraw, Qgfe&gnuplot, etc., or -as a MacOSX replacement for MacCurvefit with much more extended 2D-Plot capabilities- "Plot" -> http://plot.micw.de/
I don't know about QuickTTest, but deducting from the name, you might like to take a look on statist (shell-based, uses gnuplot/Aquaterm for graphics -> http://naranja.umh.es/~atg/stdIO+/statist(engl).dmg), SSP (http://www.economics.pomona.edu/StatSite/framepg.html), or MacAnova (http://www.stat.umn.edu/macanova/macanova.home.html), to mention just some of the free ones.
thanks for all these links. However, WEASEL2 does not ACQUIRE data from a flow cytometer. Plot crashed within the first two minutes and I know no other stat program than QuickTTest that allows a t-test for two means with sem/stdev without entering all individual measurements. This is sometimes very handy. For all other statistical problems we use JMP.
The bottom line is, none of the programs you listed, can replace the applications I mentioned. Although PLOT may come close once it is more stable.
I still need to use Cricket Graph, a Classic application (in fact a 68K one) that hasn't been updated since 1992. I have to say that it is still my favourite graphing application, but the main reason for using it is to access files it created: they can't be opened by anything else.
Oddly enough, it now runs faster than it ever did natively under double emulation (68K> PPC, Classic under OS X). It will also take a long time before the hardware evolves sufficiently for Rosetta to offer PPC emulation at reasonable speeds.
Well if you were in the Graphic Arts field and purchased thousands of dollars worth of programs such as Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign, Quark, etc. You wouldn't want to purchase them all over again to run on a new computer.
Sorry to be such a dunce but how did you go about reading your old cricket graph files without firing up the old Macll? Could you walk me through it?
Thx.
Cricket Graph still runs under the Classic environment of OS X, but only on PPC Macs (i.e. Classic itself won't work on the new Intel Macs). So you should still be able to fire up a copy of Cricket Graph and read your old files, assuming you have Classic running on a PowerPC Mac.
Let me know where the stumbling block is for you, and I should be able to help.
Please help!
I have loads of data and Graphs in CricketGraph files (for my PhD thesis) but cannot find a way to open them on my Intel MacBook Pro. I am pretty desperate to be able to access and edit these files for my thesis and would like to know which application is compatible with these files. My PowerBook G3 died completely a couple of months ago and I have no other computer that runs classic OS. Surely there must be some application that can read these files?
CricketGraph data files can be imported to a DeltaGraph data sheet. To accomplish this, drag the CricketGraph file into a DeltaGraph data sheet. CricketGraph file import is not an option in the File Import dialog.
Does anyone know of a document that describes the CricketGraph file format?
It might be possible to figure it out if I get a few files with known content.
I am a former CricketGraph devote who has been reborn a Prism-lover. Prism, by GraphPad Software, will do the t-test you seek, and you can DL a "try-out" version www.graphpad.com.
Even simpler, GraphPad offers a number of online calculators, including the one you seek to replace QuickTTest. Try http://www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs/index.cfm.
Prism's stats capability greatly exceed my abilities. The non-linear regression capabilities are superb. It has excellent on-line help, excellent tutorials, and excellent MANUALs. I find the program much more intuitive than SigmaPlot/Stat. Others I've tried and abandoned include StatView and KaleidaGraph, although I have not tried newer versions which may be improved. No need to.
[Disclaimer: I have no association (except as a satisfied customer) with GraphPad Software, tho' I occassionally volunteer (w/ no compensation) to do beta testing.]
I have over a decade of investment in FoxPro databases for my research. I've grown to depend on the built-in procedural programming capability that simplifies querying and then manipulating the results. I am in the process of shifting all my dBase files to mySQL under MacOS X (using the Navicat front-end) but I do not yet know how to replace the functionality of the procedural programming available in FoxPro. Typically, I want to query a database, shove the results into variables which I can then manipulate (basic arithmetic operations interlaced with logic branching). For example, get 1024 values of a time series, whack them into an fft and return the frequency space results.
Any recommendations for how to provide the computing flexibility under MacOS X? I was hoping to avoid having to create intermediary text files as input to FORTRAN code, but if that's what it takes to completely migrate to OS X then I guess I'll have to do it.
Comments
OS 9 Applications
I'd be interested in hearing which applications people use classic for and why?
Is it because it has not been ported or do you prefer the OS9 interface?
It's mind-boggling that...
after five full years of OS X that there are still people who depend on OS 9.
Now, don't get me wrong... I was one of the last to switch... I think I stuck with OS 9 almost up until 10.3 came out. However, the days of 9 are long gone.
The only reason I know of that anyone in my field (cognitive psychology/neurophysiology) still uses 9 is that the old version of the Psychophysics Toolbox for MATLAB was so good, is still so good, that we still use it on OS 9 on a couple of our experimental machines. Even so, the new OS X version of PsychToolbox is now pretty much up to snuff, so even then, the only reason not to switch is because people are lazy and don't want to recode their experiments.
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Mac OS X; because giving Unix a user-friendly GUI was easier than fixing Microsoft Windows.
No, I don't
I don't depend on any Classic apps. I do still have apps based on NeXTSTEP 3 which I need and hence a few black slabs in critical positions. Is this better or worse than needing OS Nein? :-)
OS 9 Applikations
We still depend on CellQuest under OS 9. So far I read only horror stories from people who tried to acquire FACS data under OS X. Prices for software updates are beyond the sky and also do not really bring new features with them. So we don't change a running system...
Also, ImageQuant and Tools have not been released for OS X yet (and probably never will be).
Finally, I MacurveFit and QuickTTest. Simple programs, I know. But sometimes very useful.
gentle persons, regarding
gentle persons,
regarding FACS - ever look on the free WEASEL2 -> http://www.wehi.edu.au/cytometry/WEASELv2.html?
Curve fitting under MacOSX is available with various free *and commercial* programs - Hippodraw, Qgfe&gnuplot, etc., or -as a MacOSX replacement for MacCurvefit with much more extended 2D-Plot capabilities- "Plot" -> http://plot.micw.de/
I don't know about QuickTTest, but deducting from the name, you might like to take a look on statist (shell-based, uses gnuplot/Aquaterm for graphics -> http://naranja.umh.es/~atg/stdIO+/statist(engl).dmg), SSP (http://www.economics.pomona.edu/StatSite/framepg.html), or MacAnova (http://www.stat.umn.edu/macanova/macanova.home.html), to mention just some of the free ones.
OS 9 Applikations
Hi Markus,
thanks for all these links. However, WEASEL2 does not ACQUIRE data from a flow cytometer. Plot crashed within the first two minutes and I know no other stat program than QuickTTest that allows a t-test for two means with sem/stdev without entering all individual measurements. This is sometimes very handy. For all other statistical problems we use JMP.
The bottom line is, none of the programs you listed, can replace the applications I mentioned. Although PLOT may come close once it is more stable.
Classic applications
I still need to use Cricket Graph, a Classic application (in fact a 68K one) that hasn't been updated since 1992. I have to say that it is still my favourite graphing application, but the main reason for using it is to access files it created: they can't be opened by anything else.
Oddly enough, it now runs faster than it ever did natively under double emulation (68K> PPC, Classic under OS X). It will also take a long time before the hardware evolves sufficiently for Rosetta to offer PPC emulation at reasonable speeds.
os 9
Well if you were in the Graphic Arts field and purchased thousands of dollars worth of programs such as Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign, Quark, etc. You wouldn't want to purchase them all over again to run on a new computer.
Cricket graph translation
Sorry to be such a dunce but how did you go about reading your old cricket graph files without firing up the old Macll? Could you walk me through it?
Thx.
Re: Cricket graph translation
Cricket Graph still runs under the Classic environment of OS X, but only on PPC Macs (i.e. Classic itself won't work on the new Intel Macs). So you should still be able to fire up a copy of Cricket Graph and read your old files, assuming you have Classic running on a PowerPC Mac.
Let me know where the stumbling block is for you, and I should be able to help.
How can I open and edit CricketGraph files on an Intel Mac?
Please help!
I have loads of data and Graphs in CricketGraph files (for my PhD thesis) but cannot find a way to open them on my Intel MacBook Pro. I am pretty desperate to be able to access and edit these files for my thesis and would like to know which application is compatible with these files. My PowerBook G3 died completely a couple of months ago and I have no other computer that runs classic OS. Surely there must be some application that can read these files?
Thanks,
jms
Cambridge, UK
Deltagraph
From the Deltagraph FAQ page
CricketGraph data files can be imported to a DeltaGraph data sheet. To accomplish this, drag the CricketGraph file into a DeltaGraph data sheet. CricketGraph file import is not an option in the File Import dialog.
http://support.redrocksw.com/dgknowledge/question.php?qstId=219
There is a demo version here
Please let us know if this works
http://support.redrocksw.com/downloads/
Does anyone know where I can download Cricket Graph?
I am looking for a host from which I can download Cricket Graph. Any suggestions?
Tx
Doug
CricketGraph format
Does anyone know of a document that describes the CricketGraph file format?
It might be possible to figure it out if I get a few files with known content.
David
t-test for two means w sem/stdev
I am a former CricketGraph devote who has been reborn a Prism-lover. Prism, by GraphPad Software, will do the t-test you seek, and you can DL a "try-out" version www.graphpad.com.
Even simpler, GraphPad offers a number of online calculators, including the one you seek to replace QuickTTest. Try http://www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs/index.cfm.
Prism's stats capability greatly exceed my abilities. The non-linear regression capabilities are superb. It has excellent on-line help, excellent tutorials, and excellent MANUALs. I find the program much more intuitive than SigmaPlot/Stat. Others I've tried and abandoned include StatView and KaleidaGraph, although I have not tried newer versions which may be improved. No need to.
[Disclaimer: I have no association (except as a satisfied customer) with GraphPad Software, tho' I occassionally volunteer (w/ no compensation) to do beta testing.]
Still depend on OS9 legacy app
I have over a decade of investment in FoxPro databases for my research. I've grown to depend on the built-in procedural programming capability that simplifies querying and then manipulating the results. I am in the process of shifting all my dBase files to mySQL under MacOS X (using the Navicat front-end) but I do not yet know how to replace the functionality of the procedural programming available in FoxPro. Typically, I want to query a database, shove the results into variables which I can then manipulate (basic arithmetic operations interlaced with logic branching). For example, get 1024 values of a time series, whack them into an fft and return the frequency space results.
Any recommendations for how to provide the computing flexibility under MacOS X? I was hoping to avoid having to create intermediary text files as input to FORTRAN code, but if that's what it takes to completely migrate to OS X then I guess I'll have to do it.